Hakeem Anwar is a software engineer and founder of Take Back Our Tech: https://tbot.substack.com/. Anwar has spent years studying online privacy, talking about cybersecurity and technology, and building private phones, laptops, and communication service for people leaving big tech behind. In this chat, Anwar outlines the scale of the threat posed by our technocratic would-be overlords and tries to persuade James that it is still not too late to fight back.